Michelle Ravel ([info]michelle_ravel) wrote,
@ 2007-10-31 10:48:00
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Okay, so I've been thinking a lot about Remus and Tonks. I posted yesterday about how Remus is a bit of a Dirty Middleaged Professor type.

I want to talk about Tonks. Tonks is a bit obsessed with Remus, isn't she? She never got over the infatuation stage. She has the infinite hope and tenacity of a young person in love. Remus, who has given up all hope for years, doesn't believe in love, but she, almost as irrationally, can't let go of it. She's also turned totally upside down by her love affair with Remus, in a very early-twenties way.

Evidence of total and slightly unsettling obsession:

* It's all about Remus: her Patronus (fundamental indicator of personality) changes to a symbol of him.
* She loses who she is, and is unable to morph when rejected by him. The strength, vitality, and fun seems sucked right out of her.
* The morphing seems to come right back after he accepts her love (in the form of marrying her, which can't have happened more than a month or so after the HBP Battle of Hogwarts). In fact, after she seems to have bounced right back entirely--nearly deliriously happy just to have him there, though he's clearly been grumping around and acting depressed and distant. She doesn't even seem to notice this. *deniiiiiial*
* Remus leaves her safe at home with Teddy during the final battle, but she leaves Teddy with Andromeda and goes after him. People have struggled with the idea that she left her baby alone, but then always say, "Well, she was an Auror, a fighter, and she just had to defend what she believed in, yada yada," but I don't think that was it. She didn't come to Hogwarts to fight. She comes to Hogwarts looking for Remus, and that idea never seems to leave the very forefront of her mind. "Have you seen Remus?" she asks everyone, and runs off immediately in the direction she's pointed, regardless of what's going on. Tonks is there because she couldn't stand being at home, thinking Remus was about to die, and that she wouldn't ever see him again.

Anyway, the point is that Tonks is CRAZAY in love, and not necessarily in the good way. But you'd need to be CRAZAY in love to stay in love with Remus, 'cause that guy was even more fucked up than we realised, though it was all there in PoA--I just didn't see it. More on the fuckedupedness of Remus later.



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[info]queenriley
2007-11-01 04:08 pm UTC (link)
So I'm not the only person who doesn't see the OMGBEEYOUTEEFYLLUV between Tonks and Remus? Because really? They're relationship always gave me the squiks. I mean, he was miserable and royally screwed up. She was awesome, until she fell for him, then she too was screwed up. I just... guh... I hate this pairing. Love them individually, hate them together (and yes, Remus is SERIOUSLY messed up, but can you blame the guy? He's... warped). I love Remus BECAUSE he's messed up... he's been through so much and it really screwed him up like it would any real person in the real world. Tonks deserved so much better.

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[info]michelle_ravel
2007-11-01 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Ah, see, I agree with everything you said, except I LOVE them, um, for all the same reasons.

I think that even with the CRAZAY, what Tonks and Remus have together is very real. It just has all this other stuff (CRAZAY) added.

How can I explain? It's just that... I understand Tonks' feelings very well. As previously mentioned, I have been Tonks' shoulder to cry on more than once. Except not Tonks. Another early 20-something having an affair with a 40-year-old professor-type. And... another one after that.

And I see the same patterns I saw then coming out with Remus/Tonks. You curse the guy, but you don't want it to not work out. It won't, of course, but you want it to.

Would I want to BE Remus or Tonks? NO. Haha, no. But do I want to read/think/write about them? Absolutely. Bring it on.

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[info]queenriley
2007-11-01 08:59 pm UTC (link)
See, those are the exact reasons I DON'T love them. I've BEEN Tonks. Sad, but true. It sucks. I think she deserved so much better than the hand dealt her, partly because I've been her. I loved her, really honestly loved her character, until she lost herself in Remus. I despised who she became when she left her son to die in battle with a husband that (while I love him to pieces) didn't deserve her, could never appreciate her. Honestly, if Harry himself had been Teddy's father, I STILL wouldn't like her for leaving Teddy... I just... Harry was right. Parent's don't leave their kids unless they have to. She didn't have to. She did anyway.

Maybe that's colouring my view. For all that I've been in her shoes, for all that I have in my past lost myself entirely in the idea of love, I have kids now. I know what it is to be a mother. And... she was no mother. I cannot respect her for what she did which perhaps is the main reason I cannot like her and Remus as a couple. He was ruined long before she came around and he ruined her. In turn, she committed one of the worst crimes in my book... she abandoned her child, for no reason other than to follow a man.

I see the love. I see the relationship. I see how real it is. I just don't like it because of who it made a strong, powerful character become. :)

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[info]michelle_ravel
2007-11-01 10:26 pm UTC (link)
No, I totally get that. I think we see the exact same thing in the relationship.

I've seen Tonks, and I understand the storyline, and I find it interesting if dark.

But you've BEEN Tonks, and you've gotten out, and you can't find it interesting. You can only want it to get as far away from you as possible. I get it.

I bet you'll read my Remus/Tonks fic, won't you, Queenriley? I promise to show a balanced view of Love and Trainwreck to the best of my abilities.

And I agree that a totally healthy Tonks would never have run out--for run out she did--on her little boy.

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[info]queenriley
2007-11-01 11:51 pm UTC (link)
Oh of course I'll read your fic! I'm quite looking forward to it.

I do read Remus/Tonks fanfic. I've even enjoyed a few, but most paint a very rosy happy picture and really? That's not what they were.

You're right, I can't see the appeal in a relationship where one is ambivalent at best and the other is consumed by the obsession. It's not fun to live through and it's not fun to look back on... there are no fond memories of my stint in her shoes. I'm glad I got out and I only wish she had as well. Oh well, not my books, and I can't fault JKR for writing them the way she did. I wish we could have seen more of the fallout, but then, I think leaving yet another orphan is a rather telling tragic end to their twisted love story... so maybe she did show one reality of it... this might require a bit deeper reflection on my part than I have given in the past.

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[info]amaterasu
2007-11-01 05:05 pm UTC (link)
I think you hit the nail dead-on. And [info]queenriley has said everything else for me. :-)

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